A story about the pre-school of life with Katrina Nannestad

Katrina Nannestad joins us to talk about pre-school memories. To find out more about Katrina you can visit...

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Rachel Spratt: I'm Rice Brad, and I'm here with Jacqueline Harvey and Tim Harris, and today's special guest is Katrina Nanistad. Katrina is an author known for the Girl, the Dog, and the Writer series, The Traveling Bookshop Series. We are Wolves, rabbit, Soldier, Angel, Thief, waiting for the stalks, silver linings, and many more, and her next book, All the Beautiful Things goes on sale in October 2024. Welcome to the show, Katrina.

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Tim Hannis: Food, thing.

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Katrina Nannestad: Thanks for inviting me on.

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Rachel Spratt: Oh, it's our pleasure. Okay? Well, we're all writers. Which means we're storytellers. Normally, we write our stories down. But for this, podcast. We're going to tell them out loud instead. And today we're going to be telling tales about preschool or early education. We'll see how we go. All right. Let's get into it now I drew the short straw. So I'm going first, st and this is going to be a bit of a long, rambling story.

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Rachel Spratt: I'm going to explain how I came to go to preschool because it's a while ago now. So I'm 48. So my family moved to Australia in 1977 when I was 2 years old.

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Rachel Spratt: And so it's weird now, because my mom now is 78, and she's a huge pain in the butt, and she gives me a hard time endlessly.

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Rachel Spratt: but you look back on that time. You think she would have been 32, and had a two-year-old and a four-year-old and traveled to the other side of the planet. None of her support network. Her husband's got a job where he's like commuting into the city every day. She's just on her own 10 HA day in a strange country, and not a lot of money. It must have been so unbelievably hard, you know, pre-internet. You just write in handwritten letters. Home phone calls cost too much to make.

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Rachel Spratt: so it must have been so isolated and so hard. It's hard to wrap your mind around.

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Rachel Spratt: So anyway. So I don't actually know a lot about what happened. It's good, but there's legend and the folklore in my family. So one of the Folklores is is how she met Mrs. Judy. Now, Mrs. Judy is a woman who has been in my life ever since.

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Rachel Spratt: And just so I'm gonna do a disclaimer like Mrs. Judy is German, and I can't do a German accent. But I will do a German accent because Mrs. Judy has the thickest, best German accent, but when I do a German accent I sound like one of the people the Nazis from Allo alone. It's just like the worst cliche. So that's the only way I know how to do a German accent, whereas Mrs. Judy, in real life has this sort of thick with all these sibilants where you wouldn't normally have sibilant.

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Rachel Spratt: And it's just she's got an awesome accent. So anyway, my mom, 32 years old, probably 33 at this stage because we lived in Hornsby, and then we moved to Burwood when my brother started school. So he was 5. He went off to school, and I was 3, and she took me to the playground, as many mothers do when they're bored out of their brain stuck in the house with a toddler. You'd know about this Tim, or least Heidi Jane would.

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Rachel Spratt: So she took me to Woodstock, which was opposite where the church where she she rang bells, and it was a great playground. It was one of those playgrounds. I literally was there once when a kid had his finger ripped off by the swing set because it was so dangerous. The whole playground. It was just awesome, and it was, and it was the seventies then. So if a kid got their finger ripped off. One day your parents still brought you back the next day. They didn't care. So my mom, she takes me there a three-year-old running around.

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Rachel Spratt: There was this lady there who had 3 kids, one my age, one who was a toddler.

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Rachel Spratt: and this wasn't a kid. Yet she was incredibly pregnant like, really, really. And she was quite a tall lady, but really pregnant. And my mom has always been someone to randomly talk to people at bus stops whatever which actually was. This is going to spout so many stories because I was just in New York with my mum, and she still does it, only it's much more scary when you're doing it in New York than it is in Boward in the seventies, anyway. So, my mom, she sees this pregnant lady, and she says.

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Rachel Spratt: Oh, when's your baby due?

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Rachel Spratt: And the woman turns to her, and this thick German accent says.

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Rachel Spratt: and it's Tuesday when she says that she says

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Rachel Spratt: the baby will be born at 9 Am. On Thursday.

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Jacqueline Harvey: She knew that perfect fact.

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Rachel Spratt: That for a fact, because she was booked in for a Caesarean, and that was Alexander. She was pregnant with Alexander, and the older kids were Mariaika, who was my age, and Christine, who was the in between, and Alexander, was born. And you know, Mr. Studi and my mom from that moment on were besties. They're still besties.

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Rachel Spratt: And Mrs. Judy was obviously from Germany, and her husband was from Holland. They were similar to my mom. They're very isolated, you know, didn't have actually Mrs. Judy. She was even better at my mom. She would just be. She would just adopt people.

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Rachel Spratt: And so she basically adopted. My mom took her under a wing, and you know they became besties. They'd be besties ever since, and so my brother was off at school, and 1 1 day.

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Rachel Spratt: I'm being minded by. Oh, no, this is what happened was, so Marika goes off to preschool. And my mom's like, Okay, start of, you know, maybe in 4 it's time for me to go to preschool. So my mom goes down to the preschool to enroll me, and she's used to England, where you just like enroll your kid with a council, and they just give given a slot. It's like going to primary school. They can't turn you away, you just automatically get given a slot. So she goes to the preschool, and the preschool says, Oh, no, there's a waiting list. You have to have your kid on a waiting list for like

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Rachel Spratt: 2 years. And my mom just didn't know this. And it's like I was like the age to start the following week, and she's like, but she's the right age. And like, Yeah, no, no, it's not the same system. It's like a private system. And then at school you get a spot, but here you have to be on a waiting list, and my mom was devastated because she was a primary school teacher, and she believed so much in education. My mom taught me to read when I was 2, which is probably why I can't read very well, because she taught me in this weird style.

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Rachel Spratt: And anyway, so my mom was just devastated, and like she'd let me down. And anyway, so one day she had to go do something. I can't imagine what, but she went. Had to go do something. So Misses Judy was babysitting me, and so I was going to hang out with Christine while Mariko went off to

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Rachel Spratt: preschool so but Mrs. Judy neither my mom or Mrs. Judy drove cars, so Mrs. Judy walked all of us down to the preschool to drop off. Mariaka and she they opened the door. She signed in Mariaka, and then the very nice preschool teacher saw me and said, Who's this? And Mrs. Judy looked her in the eye and said, This is the child you have rejected.

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Rachel Spratt: She wanted to come here, but no education, thanks to you.

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Rachel Spratt: And later that afternoon my mom got a phone call from the preschool and they had found a spot for me, and I was enrolled the next day. So that's the story of me, and how I got into preschool. Thanks to just the amazing German gall of my mom's bestie, Mrs. Judy.

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Jacqueline Harvey: But I want to know, Rachel. Did you enjoy it once you got there, or would you have rather just stayed home.

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Rachel Spratt: I did enjoy it, but it was mixed like when I was thinking about what story I was going to tell.

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Rachel Spratt: The thing that 1st came to mind like, because we're talking about things you hate about preschool. And the thing I remember like to this day I'm 48. I remember being 4 years old and being so upset about having to wear a dress to preschool like because I was a I've got an older brother, and my mom's really cheap, so I always wore his hand me downs.

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Rachel Spratt: and so when I went to preschool I had to wear a dress, and I found it really viscerally confronting and like to this day when I have to write

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Rachel Spratt: for characters in my books who are maybe gender questioning. I remember that feeling and think that's probably the closest. I can come to understanding what it must be like to feel those sort of

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Rachel Spratt: trans confused feelings, to think I just

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Rachel Spratt: hated it like it's not just like I preferred to wear shorts. And that was an issue. It's like I just felt so like my identity was being violated from a cellular level to be forced to wear this thing that made me so uncomfortable. And it's like it's already bad enough. You're being sent off without your mother for 6 h, and then you're just forced to wear something that makes every moment of the day this sort of horrendous identity confronting torture. It just seemed. I vividly remember that feeling.

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Rachel Spratt: anyway.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Clear enough, but I did.

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Rachel Spratt: Like.

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Jacqueline Harvey: And they had.

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Rachel Spratt: They had, like a you were allowed to hammer nails like real nails and hammer things into wood. I remember loving that.

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Jacqueline Harvey: I got to do that because my dad's cabinet maker so.

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Rachel Spratt: We have.

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Jacqueline Harvey: And plenty of stuff on hand at home, so.

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Rachel Spratt: And you had sisters, too, so you wouldn't have found the whole like dress thing terribly confronting.

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Jacqueline Harvey: No, because, my mother, we we grew up in the era of, you know, when Mom used to make a dress, and then she would make the same dress in a different, slightly.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah.

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Jacqueline Harvey: For all 3 little. And so we all used to have, like, you know, Mom, in her dress, and then me in line, and then Sarah and hers, and that nurse and we all looked like 3 little carbon copies of each other. And yeah, that was fun until you're about 6, and that was like, no, I don't wanna look like maybe I was a bit all right.

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Rachel Spratt: Well, it's weird when I had my kids, because, like I had been like that, and I was all ready to like, take my girl, because I've got 2 girls. I was, and I'd been a martial arts instructor for little kids. I thought, Oh, yeah, you know we'll go. We'll play cricket. We'll go to the we'll do all this stuff. And my girls were just so Disney Princess orientated like we literally had all the Disney Princess. So by the time they were like 3 or 4 I could recognize every Disney Princess

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Rachel Spratt: by her silhouette alone. I'm like, are you? To this day you just have to show me the color of fabric, and I can tell you which, Disney Princess, that is. And yeah, so

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Rachel Spratt: and it so it was no like. And people say, Where did you girls get that prominence like, it's not me. So it must be Angus that they get that from.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Cause. When he was in his Disney princess. Both.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah. Violet literally used to walk around dressed to snow white for months on end. It was yeah. And.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Yeah, it's not unusual, though.

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Rachel Spratt: Did. Did your kids go through Disney, Princess Stage? Tim.

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Tim Hannis: Yeah, we're going through a big frozen stage at the moment.

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Rachel Spratt: Well, that's a good.

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Tim Hannis: Yeah, I don't mind free watching.

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Rachel Spratt: And that one.

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Tim Hannis: We've watched it about 40 40 times, and that's.

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Jacqueline Harvey: I'd be 40.

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Tim Hannis: It's. In fact, it's so. It's like, it's almost like white noise now, even though.

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Rachel Spratt: That is Bill.

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Tim Hannis: With music and dialogue. So we're it's a perfect time to nap

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Tim Hannis: his way.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Get on the couch. And just, oh, yeah, I'm watching. Yes, yes, I'm watching.

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Tim Hannis: It's so funny. But oddly, there's like still little parts of the movie that I haven't seen, because I'll always nap. And so I'm starting to piece the frozen Gc. Puzzle together.

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Jacqueline Harvey: That's who all I face yet.

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Tim Hannis: Do know all of yes.

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Rachel Spratt: Have you ever seen my writer's workshop, Tim?

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Tim Hannis: Nope.

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Rachel Spratt: Because it's all about frozen.

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Rachel Spratt: Cause. I think it's just about the best movie children's movie that every child has seen for doing the Joseph Campbell hero journey. So I always use that as an example when I'm doing a writing workshop, because every kid will have seen frozen.

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Tim Hannis: And they know it. That's right. Yeah.

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Rachel Spratt: Go through and say, Oh, this is the call to adventure. This is a moment of great crisis. And yeah.

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Tim Hannis: Brilliant. Maybe I should stop using gone with the wind in my workshops.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Yeah, I'm thinking, war and peace is a big thing. It is a bit weighty for the 5th graders, isn't it?

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Rachel Spratt: Whenever this is how I, when my kids wanted to ride horses, and I said.

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Rachel Spratt: You can ride a horse, I'll buy you a horse if you read gone with a wind from cover to cover, and you get to the end of that book, and you still want to ride a horse, because there's the terrible ending where the little girl dies falling off a horse, and I could never want my kid to go ride a horse after reading that book.

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Jacqueline Harvey: This.

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Rachel Spratt: Anyway, but.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Anyway.

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Rachel Spratt: Like Katrina. I grind the story down to a tragic note about death, and then we segue to our guest.

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Jacqueline Harvey: I mean, that has been a theme in recent weeks.

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Tim Hannis: Becoming a bit of a thing.

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Jacqueline Harvey: I think, Katrina, you should upleet, you know. Lift us up, bring us.

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Rachel Spratt: Please do tell us your story about preschool cause. I hear your experience was much less traumatic than mine.

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Katrina Nannestad: And love it.

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Katrina Nannestad: My preschool my preschool experience was much less traumatic. My, my start of school wasn't such a smooth journey. So my mom went back to work when in my last year at home, like I started school at 4. So I was 3 and 4 for my preschool year, and I call it the preschool of life because we didn't have a preschool in the town where I grew up. And so my mom went back to work, and my Aunt babysat me for the year, while mum started work.

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Katrina Nannestad: and so sort of like, maybe not the preschool of life, but the preschool of middle age to older life, you know. Sort of.

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Rachel Spratt: My son.

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Katrina Nannestad: You know that shown the ABC. Where they had the preschool in the nursing home.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, yeah.

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Katrina Nannestad: Although my aunt probably wasn't that old it probably just same that way as a kid. But she was just a fabulous auntie. I loved her like a grandmother, and her home was so much fun. So I spent my last year of school there in her home, and doing just regular stuff with her biking and shopping, and my grandparents live next door. So my grandmother used to sit at home in a dressing gown with a sheriff badge reading West.

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Katrina Nannestad: and you know my uncle, my uncle, my aunt's husband, was. He was working at the garage with my dad, my grandfather, and everything, but sometimes he'd be behind for lunch, or at the start of the end of the day, and he and my aunt will, like a comedy act that used to ferret on and rip into each other, and just make me laugh the whole time. And my uncle just used to tell the best stories that as a kid. I thought.

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Katrina Nannestad: you know, maybe they were true. Maybe when they were not, you know, they used to have the old log stove in the kitchen like the old barga, but

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Katrina Nannestad: much more basic than that.

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Katrina Nannestad: and he said his mother taught him to dance by putting him on the stove. He didn't go up and down.

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Katrina Nannestad: and he was bold like. He was bold from quite a young age, and he said that was because he was such a good boy when he was little, that his mom was always patting him on the head.

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Katrina Nannestad: and good boy! No good boy. And so all his hair fell out so.

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Jacqueline Harvey: I think these might not have been true stories, Katrina, I think in retrospect now, maybe not.

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Katrina Nannestad: Personal bubble. Jackie was loads of fun, and then I used to go everywhere with my aunt, so she used to go shopping quite regularly, and the shopping trip would go something like this. We would go to the garage, which was our family business, where my uncles and my dad and my grandfather worked, and I'd say Hi! To my dad, and then I'd go into my grandfather's office, and he would sit me on the desk and get me to sing for him, and if I sang for him he would give me 20 cents.

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Rachel Spratt: And England.

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Katrina Nannestad: 1970. So 20 cents was a lot of money. In 1970.

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Rachel Spratt: We'd only just been metric for a couple of years at that stage.

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Jacqueline Harvey: And 66.

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Katrina Nannestad: And look at

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Katrina Nannestad: 20 cents. You could buy 4 ice.

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Jacqueline Harvey: And.

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Katrina Nannestad: Pack pk, chewing gum. It was like it was.

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Rachel Spratt: That was a lot that's probably like $10 by Australia, like today's day.

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Katrina Nannestad: Yeah.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah. Yeah.

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Katrina Nannestad: But then I would clutch my 20 cents in my hand, and my aunt would say, Well, let's go up the street and do the shopping, and you could spend it, and I'd go to the bakery, and I'd choose a finger bun, but I wouldn't let go of my 20 cents, so she'd pay for the finger bun, and I'd eat that.

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Katrina Nannestad: and the butcher used to always have booked sausages to give to kids, so I'd get a free sausage to eat, and then I'd go across to Billy Woo's grocery, and he loved kids, and he'd always give me free lollies, and then we'd go out to the market garden. Mrs. John loved kids so she'd always give me free mandarins, and then we'd probably end up at my aunt's friends place Doris and rose one of their houses for morning tea or afternoon tea, so I'd have cups of tea and sponge cake and everything. So I really ate my way around town as well

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Katrina Nannestad: grounded by older people, always being indulged everyone just costed me and loved to see me, and it was also one of those situations, because I was the only little kid in the midst of all these older people, that whatever I said was funny, and the ruder or the Nortia

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Katrina Nannestad: the better, you know, if you said something really cheeky, instead of being reprimanded, you'd be you'd be laughed at, and you know, praised for being such a funny little kid.

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Katrina Nannestad: So I had a great year, and then the following year after my preschool of life

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Katrina Nannestad: I went to school and I hated it. I absolutely hated it. 1st of all, it was boring, really boring, and I was shown really boring. Read really boring books and stuff. But you know the food was so bad.

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Rachel Spratt: And giving cake endlessly.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Yeah.

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Katrina Nannestad: Like a veganite sandwich wrapped in wax paper, and maybe an apple. If you were lucky, you know there were.

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Rachel Spratt: By lunchtime. It is always like the butter had melted into the bread.

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Katrina Nannestad: No, it's just.

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Rachel Spratt: Gross.

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Katrina Nannestad: Yeah. And then we also had. It was the days of free milk in school. So.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Oh!

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Katrina Nannestad: That had been left outside the fence for 3 h in the sun, and and also the people was so young, you know, like you'd go out in the playground, and the ratio of young to old was all wrong. It was me, amidst all these young people, instead of me being the star of the show.

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Rachel Spratt: Family! Oh.

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Katrina Nannestad: And I can remember this thing of being cheeky and being laughed at and encouraged to be a bit precocious. I can remember trying out that charm. One time on my preschool, my kindergarten teacher and I remember some boys were talking when we were all gathering on the mat, and the teacher got really angry, and she yelled, You boys are giving me a headache.

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Katrina Nannestad: and I piped up and said, Guess who's giving me a head? And

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Katrina Nannestad: I thought that was really clever. But, man, I got slammed for it so moments like that were quite confronting.

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Katrina Nannestad: And I I was trying to think surely there must be one good memory of that 1st year of school, even though you know I I think of it quite negatively. I do remember I did have one moment of glory.

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Katrina Nannestad: and that was when the naughtiest girl in my class got up to mischief. Her name was Catherine, and she snuck.

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Katrina Nannestad: And so we had these little writing books. I don't know whether you're old enough to remember this, but the they didn't have stencil, so the teacher would cut these little books in half and stamp in dotted letters a, BC, 1.

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Rachel Spratt: It was like, you know how people you shouldn't do this, by the way, but people.

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Rachel Spratt: It would like clear your sinuses. It felt so good, anyway. Sorry, Katrina. We interrupt.

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Katrina Nannestad: Very messy. It was very messy to do that, because there was a shape that you wrote peeled off, and then the ink was there, and meth on everything mixed. And so I remember Miss Dottie, our principal, used to wear these. I'm doing the action thing here as I talk here.

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Katrina Nannestad: And I used to think that was so glamorous. I used to dream of having those plastic sleeves.

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Katrina Nannestad: Miss Doherty does appear in my moment of glory, because this girl Catherine came into class at lunchtime and got into the teacher's stamps, and she took what she thought was her letter book.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, cause that's that's like, that's my hobby horse, like lots of you know, like they're always wanting us authors to go on about to talk. We'll talk about literacy and how important it is which obviously it is. But for me, the thing I'm always trying to push is stories like people don't talk to children enough anymore. And it's so important for their own verbal ability, but also for their mental health, because stories are, how you feel reassured, like all that stuff

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Rachel Spratt: like, you know the the bald uncle and stuff like it's silly. It makes you laugh, but it makes you feel reassured like that. There's silliness and joy in the world, and that things are resolved. And you know, yeah, so yeah, it's sad that kids today like you go off to. If you go off to Daycare like the they're looking after 5 kids. They're not sitting around talking all day to the 5 kids.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Giving them an ipad each.

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Katrina Nannestad: And stories. Those family stories are so powerful through a sense of belonging, and they're like, I always think of them as being like a kind of love song to your family, or a secret language you have as your family, and you don't mind if you share them over and over again because they become part of your family heritage. Part of your family story, and they're such an important part of our identity to have.

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Jacqueline Harvey: It's folklore, isn't it? It's your.

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Katrina Nannestad: And family, but I have a family.

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Rachel Spratt: When I was a kid, because we'd come out to Australia so young, and I couldn't remember the family. It was like a regular ritual for us. We'd get out the old photo albums, and we'd go through, and my mother would talk about who was who, and she'd tell us the stories, and they'd often be the same stories over and over again.

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Rachel Spratt: But I know all those stories, and like very recently I had to go to. I went to America with my mother, and one of the reasons was to meet a cousin I'd never met before who's like 8 years older than me, and you know he was adopted at birth, so he we only found him very

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Rachel Spratt: He didn't know anything about my grandfather, because his mother is very shy and quiet, and never talks about things. So my cousin had been in the army for 16 years. He didn't realize my grandfather had been in the navy for 20 years, and it's like, How can you not know that that's like part of our family folklore that we were told over and over again all these stories about what he had done in the Navy, and he'd been in the Chinese Civil War. There's amazing stories, and it's like

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Rachel Spratt: that. His family just didn't share stories like that. So these stories in my last like couple of years, these childhood stories, I was told at 3 and 4 have become really important to people of my generation, realizing that our parents, they're not capable of telling us these stories anymore. And if we don't know it, no one knows it.

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Tim Hannis: There's a fantastic movie that actually echoes exactly what we've been talking about. Big fish with you and Mcgregor. And he plays.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, yeah. Well, that's awesome. Alright. Well, Tim, on that note you're next, aren't you? So.

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Tim Hannis: So preschool is a funny time to look back on, because it's just patches of little memories. And it's I find it hard to piece life together back then. But what I have is is a couple of memories, one from Preschool and one from school, that they just these random little memories, and I don't know if things like this still happen today. But my, my pre school memory

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Tim Hannis: You know why we all like. Why, the lights off. I'm not very comfortable, it's too hot, and and the idea is sort of being being forced to sleep as a group. It was a very strange thing at the time, and I remember struggling with it greatly and not being able to sleep. I don't think I ever slept during compulsory nap time, but many years later, when my children were born.

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Tim Hannis: we had compulsory nap time and.

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Rachel Spratt: And you're like, where do I get the Hessian sack?

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Tim Hannis: And I couldn't wait for it. This is a fantastic chance. But it's such an odd memory, and I don't know. I don't know? Does it? Does does anyone.

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Rachel Spratt: They often have like activities for the kids who cannot like. So you're allowed to like, sit and do a jigsaw puzzle or something. If you can't lie still.

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Jacqueline Harvey: When I was a kindergarten teacher team I used to have sometimes the kids looked absolutely shattered by, you know, like 1, 32 o'clock, and so I'd say, you know, you can have a lie down. I had these 2 boys who would regularly go so sound asleep that I would have to carry one of them to the car.

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Tim Hannis: Wow! Wow! That's incredible.

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Jacqueline Harvey: And these kids were like 6, 5, and 6. So yeah, Freddie, Freddie Campbell, if you're out there, I remember you slip, appears angry. Always sleep on the floor.

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Rachel Spratt: I've always been a big napper myself. So when Violet was like that age I had compulsory nap time for me, and I would put on the teletubbies, and I'd sit with my arm around her, and I would just sleep until it was like Teletubby bye-bye, and then I would wake up and I'd say another trip, and I'd go.

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Tim Hannis: And so just the this is not the next one. But the other thing that puzzles me about preschool is how much how much privilege preschoolers get compared to primary schoolers and high schoolers, because preschool is are the only age in schooling where you get to put your lunch in the fridge.

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Jacqueline Harvey: True that.

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Tim Hannis: And then it stops in primary school and high school, and, you know, got these more sophisticated lunch packages. But you have to ask, block them, or you know, or beg a teacher to use the microwave whatever. But in preschool you just rock up and and it's on a silver platter of the fridge.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Here's my roast dinner from last night. Could you heat it up for me?

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Tim Hannis: Yeah, that's right. That's that's a weird one. And then so a a. So that's a love hate relationship with naps, cause I hate it at the time, but I I absolutely love a map, and I and I will nap most days before I pop off to primary artists to do writing workshops, and I find even a 5 or 10 min nap will absolutely supercharge the brain to get it through the rest of the day. But the the primary school sort of fuzzy memory patch is hearing rumors of a certain game that was being played on the playground

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Rachel Spratt: Mind, is race.

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Tim Hannis: And it was this, and it was this game where we all know it by the title where it was essentially a glorified game of tip called Catch and kiss where you would have to catch someone, and then and then, if you call them, you'll give them a kiss line, and I remember hearing about this game thinking

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Tim Hannis: I I kind of wanna play, but at the same time it scares it scares me. And so I remember watching, catching kiss from a distance, and longing to be somehow involved, but just not the right person to be playing it, and it's and I don't know if he just play that one. Still, if that's again, that is still.

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Jacqueline Harvey: That would be positively outlawed these days.

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Tim Hannis: It would be outlawed. Yeah, they do outlaw a lot of things like marble.

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Rachel Spratt: Do it at high school.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Yeah, that's right.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Like down behind the black shirt. So if.

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Rachel Spratt: Oh, no, in this area. It's a out on a property near a dam at night, with a bonfire.

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Tim Hannis: In my teaching days. I I was teaching at a school that was a K to 12 school, and I had to do bus duty with Will the high schools where? And I remember spotting some senior school students having a good old snog, and so and I was like, you know, do you have to sign it and politely separate? But I had to send an email to the someone in the high School. Let them know. And then, a few days later, I received an email from one of the students in question.

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Tim Hannis: Dear Mr. Harris, I'm very sorry for kissing my boyfriend in front of you. So that was a little bit weird.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Comfortable experiences.

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Tim Hannis: Yeah, uncomfortable experiences.

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Rachel Spratt: Ever do catch and kiss Katrina.

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Katrina Nannestad: No. But we did have a boy who I want 9, because in case he ever listens to this podcast. Or someone, he knows who just used to play his own individual game of catch and kiss. You know. He just run around, chase the girls and grab them and kiss them, and you know we I I like you, Tim. We sort of were probably a little bit sort of astonished and intrigued, and and

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Katrina Nannestad: it all sounds so wrong in the current climate, doesn't it? But you know these.

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Tim Hannis: But.

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Katrina Nannestad: All the day. Yeah.

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Tim Hannis: Yeah, that's right. And it was. It was purely innocent. Back then, I mean, at that age when when you're doing it, and.

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Jacqueline Harvey: I think she's now 8, and she got a boyfriend last year, and it was, you know, it was pretty hectic because she was telling me. I said, you haven't kissed or anything, and she told me, of course we have. How would I know if it was my boyfriend.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Anyway, I I have, you know, continued up with this little one. And she yeah, she would give me updates. And and it was so funny, because at the start of the year I said, How's you know what his name is? And she said, he was dropped.

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Katrina Nannestad: Well.

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Tim Hannis: She's over! Dropping.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Over it. She's he's dropped when.

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Rachel Spratt: When Violet was a preschool. Like all the boys, they were probably like a young Tim, you know, like, just they were just like getting on with being 4 year old boys. But there was one kid who was Italian, and he had all the moves. He was like a 4 year old peppy lap you on the 1st day he went up to Violet with a flower, and he's like.

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Rachel Spratt: Violet, I'm giving you this because you are so beautiful, and if any of the girls cried he would find them flowers. It's like, please stop crying. You are too beautiful to cry.

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Tim Hannis: Yeah, so he he wasn't playing catch and keys. He was playing Catch and Renaissance.

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Rachel Spratt: Oh.

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Rachel Spratt: so good! And I went, and I did a school visit at their school when he was in year 6. And I'm like, is this boy still here? And he and I looked up, and he still had the same smile. And they're like, and I say, I remember you and he like he like did a like a flirty smile at me. And he was school captain. He obviously.

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Jacqueline Harvey: And all of me, all of me.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Oh, so shall I tell you my proschool story.

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Rachel Spratt: Please, do.

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Jacqueline Harvey: So my my Nan's, and my Nana and my grandma were both very young when I was born, so this will freak me out right. My my Nana and my grandmother were 44 when I was born, so they were. They were real young, and.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, no, I've I've got a cousin

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Rachel Spratt: was a grandmother at 36. I know how these things go.

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Jacqueline Harvey: So these things happen. And yeah, my mom was young. She was 19 when I was born. And so my mom and dad. You know they didn't have any money, so Mom needed to go back to work, and she worked in. She was a an assistant in one of the local pharmacies.

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Jacqueline Harvey: and so my Nan used to look after me pretty much all the time. It was my Nana. So my mom's mom and I like you, Katrina. I used to love going to Nan's. She would take me. We would collect the eggs from the chooks. We would, you know. I'd pick the. She had a sweet pea vine, and you know sweet peas flowers growing on the trellis, and I still love the smell of the sweet peas, and I'd always get to pick them and put them in a vase, and I helped her cook all the time. She always used to bake cakes and bake biscuits and stuff.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Anyway, I think I was probably only about might have been only about 2 and a half at the time when this happened, and it's probably my 1st memory of of my life, and my Nana had to go into hospital to have herbaric spines done.

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Jacqueline Harvey: And so my mom was all about. Well, what are we going to do? It's going to look after Jackie. So they thought they would test me out, and they would take me to preschool to this childcare preschool place. So, anyway, I got taken to this. I remember it was in Cabramatta. My grandparents lived in Canley Vale, and it was taken to Cabramatta, and because it was near the swimming pool when Nana used to take me, and I loved going to the public pool, and always

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Jacqueline Harvey: the smell of copper tone. That's a really strong memory of of childhood. So anyway, they take me to this this preschool.

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Jacqueline Harvey: and they put me in a cot like, you know the slat side.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, yeah.

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Jacqueline Harvey: And I remember thinking if I scream all day they will not make me stay here.

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Rachel Spratt: So.

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Jacqueline Harvey: I literally screamed and screamed and cried, and sobbed and screamed the entire day, and my Nana came to pick me up because she wasn't yet having the operation. This was just a trial run, and the woman said to us, something like, You'll have to find an alternative. This is not.

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Rachel Spratt: Not.

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Jacqueline Harvey: And so

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Jacqueline Harvey: I think Mom had to take the time off work, and I just stayed with Mom, and so I never ever had to go to preschool and I remember. My, you know my preschool experience was really romper room, and Sesame Street.

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Rachel Spratt: That was my.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Education was rumper room in Sesame Street, going to the library every week with my mom. And I like you. Rach was one of those kids that I learned to read before I went to school. So you know, I I would just sit and entertain myself for hours and be more than happy to do that. So I loved, you know, not ever having gone to preschool was fantastic like you, Katrina. I thought it was. Everybody thought I was, you know, hilarious to just chat to my man all day.

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Jacqueline Harvey: When I started school I didn't mind school, but some it was very limiting, like you said it was boring. There wasn't, you know, they used to give us these readers that was so boring. And yeah, I I just remember thinking, you know this is, it's it's better not continue like this for too much longer. And then I also went to a school where corporal punishment was doled out very liberally, and so you know, it didn't take long for me to realize that if you did something wrong you were gonna get whacked.

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Jacqueline Harvey: and by the time I got to year 2

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Jacqueline Harvey: I copped one across the backside in the playground one day because it was probably actually a game of might have been even a game of catch and kiss. But it was a chasing game, and what happened was the our our infant's mistress, who I shall not name, but she was just a horror. I I always say to kids, think of the trunchbull.

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Jacqueline Harvey: and she used to carry around with her in the playground. She used to march around and she didn't have a 30 cm rid ruler she had didn't have a a meter ruler. She had this weird, 50 cm ruler.

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Tim Hannis: You mean.

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Jacqueline Harvey: You to have to have custom.

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Rachel Spratt: Ordered. Yeah. Custom orders.

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Katrina Nannestad: And harsh.

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Jacqueline Harvey: She used to march around the playground at lunchtime, and I remember I was playing chasing with my, you know, inverted commas friends cause they turned out not to be my friends and some kid caught me, and they lifted my dress up over my head. And you know, Rachel, your aversion to dresses, you know, as a girl you get a dress kind of stuck over your shoulders, and you.

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Rachel Spratt: Players do that in fights on purpose to tie up someone's arms. They pull the shirts up.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Well, there you go, and that's not.

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Rachel Spratt: Them in the kidneys.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Well, wasn't quite that violent, but anyway, it gets violent, and so I'm standing there with my head, my arms up, my dress above my head. Of course. What's on display for the whole school is my undies. And so I hear this woman's voice, and she says, Jacqueline, what are you doing, flashing your underwear for the entire school to see. And all of a sudden I just felt whack across my bowl.

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Rachel Spratt: I.

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Jacqueline Harvey: And she whacked me with the the 60 cm ruler or the 50 cm ruler, and she anyway. And I remember at the time I was so angry because I thought, in what universe did I put myself in this position?

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Jacqueline Harvey: So I I just remember thinking, you know, I was very I had a very strong sense of social justice, so I I thought I had been completely, completely, you know, given the.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah.

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Tim Hannis: So it's.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Yeah.

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Rachel Spratt: Isn't it? It was all but.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Sure.

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Rachel Spratt: I try and explain that to my kids. One of them was a victim of, you know, some sort of arbitrary justice at school, and it wasn't like being whacked or anything, but they just they copped the Ra. The rough end of the pineapple with a decision. And I said, This is how school used to be you, you arbitrary dust. Justice would be dealt out.

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Jacqueline Harvey: It! Up!

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, that was part of their authorities. You had to accept it, and you're accepting an unjust decision. That was part of the way the discipline worked, and it's like you would get the wrong one occasionally. But you'd get away with a couple of things, and you just oh, yeah, I I'll just call.

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Katrina Nannestad: This one.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, it.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Like, you know, it does balance out. And you think of all the times that you probably did deserve to be in trouble, and you didn't get in trouble. So yeah, so

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Rachel Spratt: My mom had a really good mood because my mom was a primary school teacher. I know you 2 were primary school teachers. Katrina, were you a primary school teacher? Yeah, yeah. Were you in the.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Around us kids.

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Rachel Spratt: Hmm.

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Jacqueline Harvey: It's rabbit sauce.

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Katrina Nannestad: And what.

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Rachel Spratt: Was you, were you in the age of being able to whack the children.

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Katrina Nannestad: The school that I started teaching at. We made a decision that we would not allow capital punishment. We wouldn't allow that either. So yeah, I I just didn't feel feel comfortable about, you know.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, well, my mum, did my mum.

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Katrina Nannestad: How can I start teaching.

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Rachel Spratt: My mom was a teacher in the sixties, in England and in London, in like a really really rough area, like a housing estate, you know, after the Second World War, a lot of people were sort of refugees within their own country because of the bombings, and they'd put up all these.

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Rachel Spratt: this cheap housing, and then people would sort of be put in there while they rebuilt, and so that it was a sort of difficult time, socially in a lot of parts of England where people didn't have a lot of money, and they're all jammed in. And she, as like a recent teaching graduate, was teaching somewhere like this, and it was when corporal punishment was allowed, and like she wouldn't have been vicious about it or anything these kids, though, would have been. That's how they got disciplined at home. So she had this move. She would use something, and my brother where she would whack you, and

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Rachel Spratt: she's not a big lady like 5 foot 3, but it was like a short sort of like whippy hand action, and she wouldn't go for the butt or the arms or the hands, like some teachers do. She would go just above the back of your knee and just like Slap you there so she wouldn't have to slap you hard, but it would make your knee buckle a little bit. So you'd sort of like suddenly like, lose your balance. And it was really effective, because you'd be like carrying on like doing something really annoying. And all of a sudden whack. And you'd sort of lose your balance and stumble.

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Rachel Spratt: and you'd be like you would like, be humbled in that moment, and it wouldn't really hurt that much. But it would be a bit of a stinging. You'd be like, okay? And so she would. Yeah, that was her signature. Move.

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Tim Hannis: And forever. I can read.

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Katrina Nannestad: Isn't it? The kids like reboots them? It's just yeah.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, yeah, it was.

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Katrina Nannestad: Just

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Rachel Spratt: Them. It's like I'm in charge. And just for this one second I take all your dignity.

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Tim Hannis: Younger listeners, this this is true, like.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Yeah.

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Tim Hannis: I can't imagine. But this actually happened, you know, only a few decades ago. It's pretty wild.

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Rachel Spratt: Well. And also it's like my mom wasn't even malicious about it. There were a lot of teachers who had a lot of issues, and particularly coming out of the Second World War. There was a lot of teachers who had fought and who had Ptsd, and there's just teachers who are just messed up people, for whatever reason, and they did like get vicious with.

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Jacqueline Harvey: They were in Australia. Too rich, I can tell you.

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Rachel Spratt: I remember when I was in 1st grade, the teacher, like we, were a very middle class school, and there was one kid in the class who was working class, and the teacher really picked on him because she knew when he went home his parents wouldn't back him up, and I remember seeing her pick him up and throw him into a bookcase.

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Rachel Spratt: and it, like the shelves of the bookcase, like hit the back of his head, and like it would have really hurt, and him just slumping to the ground and just thinking.

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Rachel Spratt: that's really terrible, you know. And that would have been like, mid 80. S, so, yeah, these things.

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Jacqueline Harvey: And on that note, Rach, maybe we should save that topic for another podcast because I've got quite a few of those.

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Rachel Spratt: Who maybe shouldn't have been in teaching.

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Jacqueline Harvey: I've got. I've got new.

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Katrina Nannestad: Here we go!

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Jacqueline Harvey: Months of life.

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Katrina Nannestad: Gary.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah. And we should also say that like, it would have been so hard in the day as a teacher with 30 kids like my mom used to have 40 kids, and she had to take them to London on school excursions in those carriages where you could only fit 10 people in a carriage. And so you imagine taking 45th graders

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Rachel Spratt: from underprivileged backgrounds, who maybe had discipline issues on a train where you had to get them all to get off at the same spot, even though you weren't in the same carriage. It's like there's a lot of challenges for teachers in that day, so we we shouldn't be too judgmental that they were very much having to deal with stuff in their time.

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Jacqueline Harvey: It was of the time.

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Rachel Spratt: Yes.

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Jacqueline Harvey: So on. That note.

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Rachel Spratt: Having ground it all down yet. Another dark note. We've got to wrap it up.

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Katrina Nannestad: Yeah, okay.

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Rachel Spratt: Trina.

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Katrina Nannestad: With something dark and end with something dark. Rachel.

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Tim Hannis: As my.

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Rachel Spratt: I.

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Tim Hannis: Welcome to morbid stories, with real.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Toronto's.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, I'm sorry, all right. Well, thank you so much for joining us today, Katrina. You've been listening to real stories with random writers. If you want to find out about any of us and what we've been writing and what our books are, you can find out about me@rasprat.com.jackie. Where can we find out about you?

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Jacqueline Harvey: Jacqueline harvey.com. How about you.

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Rachel Spratt: Tim.

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Tim Hannis: Tim Harris books.com.

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Rachel Spratt: Katrina, do you know your website?

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Katrina Nannestad: I do. It's Katrina nanistad.com.

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Rachel Spratt: Yes, it is. I checked that for you.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Yeah.

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Rachel Spratt: Sometimes people don't know. Okay, thank you so much for listening until next time. Goodbye.

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Rachel Spratt: There you go. There we are.

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Jacqueline Harvey: We're out! We're done!

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Rachel Spratt: You thank you so much for coming, and that was really great. That was a great.