A story about getting arrested for having sand in your camera with Deb Abela

Deborah Abela joins us to share her dangerous travel tale.

To find out more about Deb you can visit... https://www.deborahabela.com

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Jacqueline Harvey: Hello! Can you hear me?

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Jacqueline Harvey: Hang on!

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Jacqueline Harvey: No!

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Jacqueline Harvey: Hi, Rach! And can you hear me?

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Jacqueline Harvey: I can't hear anything. But can you hear me, Rachel

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Jacqueline Harvey: Chris.

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Jacqueline Harvey: I can't. It's saying that I'm unmuted, but it's not. I can't hear you.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Hello, Tim.

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Tim Harris: Hello! Can you hear me? Okay.

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Jacqueline Harvey: I can hear you, Tim, but I can't hear Rachel.

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Tim Harris: Okay, I can hear you, Jackie, and I also can't hear Rachel.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Okay. So Rachel is. Oh, she's a problem, not me. I thought it was me.

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Jacqueline Harvey: How are you.

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Tim Harris: Yeah. Good. How's things going?

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Jacqueline Harvey: Yeah, fine. Fine.

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Rachel Spratt: I got you. Yeah.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Hey? She's back! Whoa! Good! Thank goodness for that!

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, how are you?

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Tim Harris: Good. How was the trip?

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Rachel Spratt: Oh, it's good! It was exhausting, but it was good.

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Tim Harris: Why was it exhausting? Because, like.

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Rachel Spratt: Took my mother.

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Jacqueline Harvey: And they did a lot in 2 weeks.

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Rachel Spratt: We did a heck of a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Tim Harris: Oh, that's good! And she had a good time.

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Rachel Spratt: Oh, yeah, she had a fantastic time.

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Tim Harris: Yeah.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah.

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Tim Harris: Oh, that's that's that's good. That's that's special, really special for her.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Yeah, absolutely great thing to do.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause yeah, she won't be able to do something like that again. So.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Yeah, yeah, just what was.

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Tim Harris: Say, like 2 or 3 like standout highlights.

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Rachel Spratt: I had a really good subway sandwich meatball sandwich at the Chelsea markets, with a glass of very nice red wine.

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Rachel Spratt: absolutely fantastic.

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Tim Harris: Nice.

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Rachel Spratt: And I took a bird watching, and all the other bird watchers were just absolutely stark, raving insane, which was

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Jacqueline Harvey: Twitches. Aren't they called twitches, are they twitches? What are they called.

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Rachel Spratt: That birding over there.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Of birding. Yeah.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, I think that's more of a British term.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Okay.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, they were just insane in a way, I, you know, like I'm a bell wringer. So I know insane hobbies. But this was just next level.

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Jacqueline Harvey: It was, it was.

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Rachel Spratt: Very interesting.

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Rachel Spratt: and what else was good? I really liked going to Canada and doing nothing for 4 days.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Oh, that's good! Did you go on the train? Did you.

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Rachel Spratt: Yes.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Yeah.

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Rachel Spratt: Trained.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Was good.

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Rachel Spratt: To Niagara. Yeah, that was good. I was pretty sick, though, like when I got to Niagara I couldn't do the mate on the miss thing because I was just too sick.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Right?

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Rachel Spratt: But it was.

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Rachel Spratt: We had a really good room, with a good view of the.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Beautiful.

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Rachel Spratt: Had room service, and.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Sounds good. Oh, there's nothing been happening here, has there, Tim?

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Rachel Spratt: Oh, I better let dev in.

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Tim Harris: Well.

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Rachel Spratt: Hey! Deb!

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Rachel Spratt: Hi! Deb!

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Rachel Spratt: Are you there.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Nor yes.

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Rachel Spratt: Yes, she's coming in. She's.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Hello!

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DeborahAbela.com: Hi! Everyone.

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Rachel Spratt: Hey? Oh, wow! Your image is spectacular and professional. There.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Lovely!

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DeborahAbela.com: Todd insisted on the very last.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Swearing that.

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Jacqueline Harvey: yeah, sadly, none of that will will come across in the podcast.

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DeborahAbela.com: No! You give me like.

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Rachel Spratt: Screen.

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DeborahAbela.com: Whatever we're talking about.

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Rachel Spratt: I'll take a screenshot. I know there's technical ways of doing this, but I'm going to do this in untechnical way. There we go.

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Rachel Spratt: How.

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DeborahAbela.com: Tim.

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Tim Harris: Long time, no see deb.

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DeborahAbela.com: I know.

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DeborahAbela.com: but I was.

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Tim Harris: Waiting on the M. 4. Mac is for you, Deb, but you didn't show. No, no, no.

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Rachel Spratt: What?

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Tim Harris: We have 6.

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Rachel Spratt: No, that can't be true, because there is no M. 4 Meccas anymore.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Yeah, there is. There is.

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Rachel Spratt: No, it's closed.

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Tim Harris: Surely not.

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Rachel Spratt: No, I drove past on Sunday, and they've both been close for a few months.

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Rachel Spratt: That's where we always eat on the way to my mother's house, so we don't have to eat her food. It's a key part of my life.

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DeborahAbela.com: So sorry when you go to your mother's house. Do you cook? Do you take food? Do you.

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DeborahAbela.com: Or you, you were forced to eat it.

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Rachel Spratt: Well, she would be offended if I took food. We try and take her to places that sell food that.

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DeborahAbela.com: Scalable. Yeah.

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Jacqueline Harvey: So is your mother's cooking on the same level as Ian's mother's cooking was.

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Rachel Spratt: She doesn't really like to cook. She like declares that she ate at lunchtime, and that's it for the day.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Right.

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DeborahAbela.com: Okay. Sorry. Why does someone who doesn't like to cook insist on cooking.

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Rachel Spratt: Because she's offended that you don't like it. It's very complicated. She grew up with rationing in England, so she has a lot of food issues.

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DeborahAbela.com: Okay, because my mother-in-law hates cooking, loves it when we turn up with bags of, and we've got whole menus for the whole week all laid out.

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Rachel Spratt: Oh, no, sis.

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Jacqueline Harvey: That's an 8.

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Rachel Spratt: Onion, or.

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Rachel Spratt: So, and she doesn't like vegetables or meat.

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Jacqueline Harvey: That doesn't make it slightly complex. Yeah, what does she eat? She does.

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DeborahAbela.com: Manila left

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Rachel Spratt: She likes biscuits and.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Okay.

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Rachel Spratt: Well, I've just spent 2 weeks travelling with her, and the key is to go to a restaurant where you

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Rachel Spratt: you know, there's something on it the menu she can eat so she can eat a Caesar salad, although she complains if there's too much salad in it, she can eat fish and chips, and if neither of those options or macaroni cheese.

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Rachel Spratt: but she will go desserts as a main course. So when we.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Did you ever some some good chain restaurants like? Did you go to some of the really really good American chains that have lots of choice.

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Rachel Spratt: No, no, we didn't get to any chains, or maybe.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Well, Applebee's Applebee's is great. They have every.

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Rachel Spratt: Loves a diner, and.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Right.

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Rachel Spratt: Sports bar and a road stop.

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DeborahAbela.com: Yes, hopefully.

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Jacqueline Harvey: I was gonna say, and a roadkill.

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Rachel Spratt: No, no, but like anything that's like we would consider like 19 sixties cookies. She loves it, you know. Yeah.

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Jacqueline Harvey: She like any of the really gross stuff like tripe and brains, and that kind of.

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Rachel Spratt: No, that's my dad. That's my dad. Yeah, okay.

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Rachel Spratt: yeah, yeah.

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Jacqueline Harvey: And we were discussing that while we were discussing this the other day with some friends they're like, oh, I love tribe. I'm like gross like. What? How old are you.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, my dad used to like trick us into eating stuff like that when I was a kid, and it was just.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Nasty taking kidneys.

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Rachel Spratt: No sheep's hearts.

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DeborahAbela.com: Yeah, of course.

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Rachel Spratt: Stuffed sheep's hearts, deep fried.

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DeborahAbela.com: I mean I could.

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Jacqueline Harvey: I could show you some shocking photos from my husband's weekend, but I won't, because that will offend some people with.

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Rachel Spratt: Don't need to know about. Yeah.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Let's try it, man.

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Rachel Spratt: Rico Maris.

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DeborahAbela.com: No, we feel for him, though we feel for him.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Oh, no, no, it wasn't him. It was friends. But anyway, yes, we're doing very typically New Zealand things on the week last week.

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Rachel Spratt: Anyway, before we get into it, we should just say, Hey, Deb, how are you? We haven't seen you for ages at least I haven't, because I don't live in Sydney. What you up to.

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DeborahAbela.com: I know I feel like I haven't seen you forever.

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DeborahAbela.com: because, you know, you run into people at places. And Tim and I were saying this recently, like I've run into Tim, is it? Twice

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DeborahAbela.com: in the last? I don't know. Few weeks, and then hadn't seen you for, like forever before.

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Tim Harris: Yeah.

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DeborahAbela.com: Right.

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Rachel Spratt: Really messed up our social lives terribly.

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DeborahAbela.com: I feel like it's still a little bit of a hangover from that or something. I don't know.

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Rachel Spratt: Your lighting is so much better than mine. I'm going to fix my lighting. Hang on.

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DeborahAbela.com: Again, Rachel, if I showed you the setup that Todd has made up here.

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DeborahAbela.com: You it's ridiculous.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Like a television studio.

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DeborahAbela.com: Yeah. Yeah. And and I turned on all the lights before I obviously was going to sit down with you. And I thought, Oh, my God, I'm in darkness and realise one of the main key, like there's 3 key lights all around me, and one key light.

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Rachel Spratt: 3. They're not keylights.

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DeborahAbela.com: Oh, sorry!

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Jacqueline Harvey: Sorry.

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DeborahAbela.com: Telite is here, and then I've got 2 side lights here. Sorry they're massive.

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Rachel Spratt: Let's use the technic.

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DeborahAbela.com: They feel sorry. Thank you for my education, Rachel.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, you're not backlit. Yeah, you are backlit because.

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DeborahAbela.com: No, no.

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Rachel Spratt: Quite.

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DeborahAbela.com: I've got a backley. Yeah, yeah.

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Rachel Spratt: Yes.

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DeborahAbela.com: Yeah, no, I've got it. I've got a sidelight just here.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Learn.

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DeborahAbela.com: Safe.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Well, yeah. But, Deb, you don't have this view that you look at.

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Jacqueline Harvey: This isn't your view. Out the window.

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DeborahAbela.com: January.

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Rachel Spratt: Aside a postcard.

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DeborahAbela.com: That's quite a view.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Quiet, the view so.

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Rachel Spratt: When you sit and watch TV. At Jackie's house, you think, why am I watching the TV.

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DeborahAbela.com: Am I watching TV? That's just.

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Rachel Spratt: Either side of the TV. You don't.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Toe.

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Rachel Spratt: Oh, no! I got it!

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DeborahAbela.com: Jackie, your lighting's very good as well.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Oh, it's not too bad! That's mostly just natural light. That's the skylight. There's the windows there.

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DeborahAbela.com: Really good that you have the lighting and the view.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Have the lighting and the view, so I can watch parachutists come. So she.

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Rachel Spratt: The natural beauty. Okay, there you go, like.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Don't!

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Rachel Spratt: Look quite so in the blue scale. Now I got a.

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DeborahAbela.com: And will be.

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Rachel Spratt: In New York. All right, let's get into it. Shall we?

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Jacqueline Harvey: Literally that none of this is going on screen, anyway.

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Rachel Spratt: What it so it might do if you say, really boring stuff in the show.

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DeborahAbela.com: All right, so.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Be good!

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Rachel Spratt: Deb you use. You go by your name, Deborah, do. Would you prefer that in the introduction, Deborah? And is? It's pronounced Abella cause that's what I've been saying my whole life.

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DeborahAbela.com: Yeah, yeah. Your whole life is correct.

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Rachel Spratt: Bella, yeah.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Do you ever get a Bila? Do you ever people ever say, Abila.

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DeborahAbela.com: Oh, mostly it's wrong. Yeah. My.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Really.

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DeborahAbela.com: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Yeah. It's too hard to miss up.

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DeborahAbela.com: No, but I think if it's a Bella, you would expect 2 l's, I think, if if but it's not an English name, so.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Not yet.

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Rachel Spratt: Okay, so.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Bella. Yeah. Good Sunday.

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Rachel Spratt: Times languages have different letters. So we're just approximating. Anyway.

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DeborahAbela.com: Absolutely. Yeah, yeah.

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Rachel Spratt: Okay.

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DeborahAbela.com: Hear it in Maltese. It makes so much sense the way they say it.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, it's like, Rachel is hell in Hebron. Yeah.

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Rachel Spratt: Only got 3 letters because the A and the E you, just they have no vowels.

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Rachel Spratt: No, no, no! And like.

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Rachel Spratt: Interrupt me at any moment. So I'm gonna just run through some of your books. Like all of us. You've written a great many, and I cannot list them all. It will take the whole. Podcast, so this is what I'm Gonna say, Deb is the author. Deborah does your mother call you Deborah.

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DeborahAbela.com: Only when I'm in trouble. Yeah.

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Rachel Spratt: I was. Gonna say, I bet you only get get that when you've been naughty. Do you get Jacqueline when you've been naughty? Jackie? Timothy, do you get Timothy.

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Rachel Spratt: Deb is the author of the Max Remi Super Spy series, Ghost Club, Jasper Zammits, soccer legend, Teresa, a new Australian, the stupendously spectacular spelling bee, the Grimstone trilogy, and many more. I realise you've written more. But is that okay, as a summary, and her most recent book is the book of Wondrous Possibility.

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DeborahAbela.com: No, it's the kindness project.

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Rachel Spratt: Alright. Is that a novel, or is it like a.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Do other things.

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Rachel Spratt: Well, like Dr. Zeus. Was it like catnahats? Got what 50 words or something.

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Tim Harris: And you heard Ernest Hemingway's incredibly powerful. 6 words.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Thank you. Yeah. I'll show you a picture.

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Rachel Spratt: Let's get into it.

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Rachel Spratt: Everybody ready to go. Do you know what you're doing, Deb? You got the idea that we're just gonna tell stories.

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Rachel Spratt: But people, just we start, and then you realise 5 min in that they're very confused.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, okay, it's dangerous travel tails, isn't it?

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Jacqueline Harvey: Yeah, I could kick. I could kick it off. I've got dangerous.

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Rachel Spratt: That's how I got rid of my last Canadian dollars at the airport. I bought that for myself. I was trying by my husband a shirt, but they didn't have one, so I got a hat.

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Rachel Spratt: Hello! And welcome to real stories with random writers. I'm Ray Spratt, and I'm here with Jacqueline Harvey and Tim Harris. And today's special guest is Deborah Abella. Yeah.

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Rachel Spratt: Deb is the author of the Max Remy Super Spy Series, Ghost Club, Jasper zammit, soccer, legend, Teresa, a new Australian, the stupendously spectacular spelling Bee, the Grimsden. I was doing so well.

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Rachel Spratt: Okay, stop laughing here we go the Grimston Trilogy, the Kindness Project, and many more, and her most recent book is, Oh, I got that Larry.

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Jacqueline Harvey: The cardinals.

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Rachel Spratt: The Grimston Trilogy, the book of Wondrous Possibilities, and many more. And her most recent book is the kindest project welcome to the show. Deb.

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DeborahAbela.com: Why, thank you.

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Rachel Spratt: All right? Well, we're all book creators. Which means we're storytellers. Normally, we write our stories down. But for this podcast we're going to tell them out loud instead. And today we're going to be telling tales about dangerous travel.

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Rachel Spratt: All right, Jacqueline Harvey.

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Jacqueline Harvey: I wear a break.

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Rachel Spratt: Traveller. You travel all the time.

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Rachel Spratt: Live in the same country as the rest of us, hit us with your dangerous travel tale.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Well, I was thinking about this when when Deb proposed the the topic, and I thought, Yes, we've had a few, you know. I haven't had dangerous tales a lot like you know, as in. I've never been arrested or anything like that. However, you know we have, accidentally waited into South Central Chicago. Yeah, which was a very dangerous sort of side expedition on a car

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Jacqueline Harvey: trip where the the the GPS went all wrong. And so we ended up in this area of of Chicago, where all of a sudden, there's lots of cars on blocks, and there's lots of people hanging around looking very seedy, and lots of you know bad things going down so. But you know we made it out of there pretty quickly, so I haven't got sales like that, but

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Rachel Spratt: I was just. Can I just disrupt? Have you ever thought that maybe your GPS is trying to kill you?

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Rachel Spratt: I went to Canberra once, and I was trying to get to the War Memorial, and you know I thought I was should be going into the city, but it was leading me back out into the bush, and I was with my kids. And they're like, Ma

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Jacqueline Harvey: Well, yeah, I think sometimes, siri, she does really get it wrong, doesn't she? She's you know. She she pretends to be that nice Australian lady, but she's not really but yeah. So my travel stories are really the the most dangerous situations we found ourselves in were we were in 2 typhoons.

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Jacqueline Harvey: So I have been into the biggest typhoons that have happened in Hong Kong and in Japan in recent years. So the 1st one we had gone to Hong Kong, and I was working in schools in Hong Kong, and so I was all excited about my 1st day of working the next day, and as we get there, you know we can see the you know the windows. It's it's bit windy, and it's a bit, you know, icky weather.

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Jacqueline Harvey: But then we get into the hotel, and it's like got alerts everywhere. And it's saying you need to tune into the radio or the television to find out what alert level we're at and which you know. And and if the alert level gets to, you know X, then it means, you know, you can't go outside and all sorts of things. So anyway, that was typhoon haima.

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Jacqueline Harvey: which it was big in Hong Kong, but I think in Malaysia I think it was Malaysia or the Philippines. It was really really massive. So we were actually I I couldn't do my 1st day of school visits because it got to the point where you weren't allowed outside, and the eariest thing ever was being in the Pacific Place, Mall, in Hong Kong. Our our hotel was a very sturdy hotel attached to the Mall, so I wasn't worried about that.

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Jacqueline Harvey: But walking out to the end of the Mall and looking into the streets of Hong Kong, and then not being one person on the streets anywhere, and then being in our room, and because our room sort of faced away from. If you were on one side of the hotel, you had to just close your curtains, and you weren't allowed to even look outside. But outside. We were okay, except that we were sitting on our, you know hotel room on about the 18th floor, watching barbecues flying off.

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Jacqueline Harvey: But that was my 1st experience of a typhoon, and that was, you know, I I was thankful to be in a very nice hotel in a very, you know, secure place, but I couldn't believe it when. So that was in 2,016, and in 2,019 we went to Japan for about 5 weeks for we went for the Rugby World Cup and a big holiday, and anyway, we were with a group big group of friends.

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Jacqueline Harvey: and we were staying south of Tokyo, and, would you believe it, Typhoon? Hagabus.

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Rachel Spratt: Does not sound like an Asian typhoon. That's.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Well it was. I know it did sound like Scottish type in, anyway. So we're staying in this place south of a couple of hours south of Tokyo, and we were meant to be there for like another night, and we just look at the weather going no way. We've got to get to the airport because our flight was meant to leave. I think it was the next night, but our friends that we were traveling with they weren't due to leave for another couple of nights after that.

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Jacqueline Harvey: So my husband, who's you know, he's really practical. And he's saying to our friends, Okay, well, we're gonna leave this hotel cause. Our hotel was a very tall skyscraper in the middle of nowhere. That would. I reckon you just would have been doing this the whole time, which would in horrible, you know I'm swaying actually for the.

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Rachel Spratt: Like the pendulum in a grandfather clock in the Japanese building, so.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Because they good with earthquakes as well. But we still decided we we needed to get into the city, and so and all of the all of the Shinkansen. All the bullet trains were about to stop. So you know, that was the other thing like we need to get on this train. So my husband's trying to find a hotel for our friends to stay at because they're gonna give up their accommodation where we were.

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Jacqueline Harvey: and we're going straight to the airport. That's right. We just said that we'll just go to straight to the airport and we'll I think we were. We must have been leaving that night. So anyway, my husband's on the he's online. He's looking for hotels, and he's saying right, you can stay at the Hilton at Narita it'll be safe. It'll be a good, sturdy hotel.

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Jacqueline Harvey: and our friends with being Phil. Bills going. No, no, we don't need to spend that much money we'll we'll stay somewhere a little bit further out, anyway. So my husband's like. Got them all these rooms 2 rooms organized, and you know it's all good. No, they decide to go elsewhere. So we leave them, and then we find out that they've ended up in this so they've they've ended up in a Rio can. So in a you know.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Yeah, on a low, lying part of land. And so they're sending us the videos. Once we're well, we we went to the airport and we're in the airport. They've gone to the accommodation. The typhoon is not set to hit for probably another 6 h or so. So when we check in at the airport, and we were at some.

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Jacqueline Harvey: We weren't at Narita. We were at Hanada Airport, anyway. The check-in girl. I have never seen someone so stressed. She's like what now you need to make sure that you're at the gate at exactly this time, and you must not be late, and you must get on, you know, get on the plane.

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Jacqueline Harvey: So anyway, we go to the gate early, and everybody's early, and it was good. And then the pilot again, like we're so stressed, and the pilot is yelling and he's saying, ground stuff! Get off this plane. Get off this plane now, and we're like, Oh, my gosh, this is gonna be horrendous.

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Jacqueline Harvey: basically they were watching they were watching people's cars lifting up and smashing over the top of their hotel. The water is rising all the way up, sort of, you know, coming into the bottom floor of the hotel, and we're like, well, you should have stayed at the Hilton. We told you.

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DeborahAbela.com: For the side of the bus.

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Rachel Spratt: Like my like, we've talked on these podcasts about my brother, and what a huge nerdy is. But all his friends are huge nerds, too. And so they didn't really have a lot of girlfriends at high school. I'm just gonna lay it out there. They didn't, and.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Definitely. Your brother's not listening to her, but.

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Rachel Spratt: Like. I always tell tell my girls you want to land yourself a huge nerd, because when you get a huge nerd they're so grateful to finally have a girlfriend. So this this guy very successful engineer, anyway, he got a girlfriend very serious. I think they're engaged. They might have actually been married on their honeymoon, and they were in India and

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Rachel Spratt: his, his girlfriend wife, whatever they were at that stage was very religious, and he wasn't, but he knew he's onto a good thing. So he's like, I'm going to church with you every week. That's what you want, Sweetie. So one Sunday morning. He he got up with her when they went to church, and had churches, usually on the highest ground in the village wherever they are. So they went to church, and when they were at church the Boxing Day tsunami hit and destroyed their hotel like.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Holy.

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Rachel Spratt: Morning, and every you know the people in the room next door to them did not survive.

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Rachel Spratt: They would still be in the hotel room, they would not have survived. So I take this as 2 messages, one marry a nerd, 2

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Rachel Spratt: church is good, you know.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Go to church.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, you're so good, even if you don't believe.

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Rachel Spratt: Yes, that was a horrific story. Deb. Sorry about that.

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DeborahAbela.com: Oh, no! That's a terrible story. Oh, my gosh! I mean.

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Rachel Spratt: I know, but a happy story that they're married and have children. They've been married for like 25 years now, so.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Go, so happy, happy tale.

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DeborahAbela.com: And and you got, and you know marriage advice for your daughters out of it, and.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, exactly.

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DeborahAbela.com: Maybe that's a good thing. I don't know.

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Rachel Spratt: You've got to take the positive out of the dark.

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DeborahAbela.com: Yes, Ok, all right.

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Rachel Spratt: I like Jackie with the always stay at the Hilton.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Exactly. Yeah. Cause then you won't get, you know you won't have to watch cars flying over the top of your hotel.

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Rachel Spratt: No, they'll smash into the ground floors with people.

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Rachel Spratt: For the good rooms.

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DeborahAbela.com: And, Jackie, I have to tell you. You are so brave to even have gotten on that flight. I would have gone. You know what I can just find somewhere to stay for the next week while it all blows over, and the.

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Jacqueline Harvey: I.

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DeborahAbela.com: But you got calm skies, anyway.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Yeah, guys, cause we flew. They the one thing they had to do, they had to fly in a very different direction to the way they would normally fly out.

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DeborahAbela.com: Right.

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Jacqueline Harvey: And so, you know, the pilot comes on after, you know. A while, he said. Oh, well, that would. That was great. People. Thanks for getting on on time. That was awesome, and we were the last plane to leave that airport.

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Jacqueline Harvey: We were literally the last plan out. And yeah, I was extremely grateful, because, as been our friends got stuck for a week, and then they had to go home on some secure street through about, you know, 2 other different countries. So yeah, it was very fortunate. But I wouldn't recommend, you know that's 2 typhoons I've been in. So I'm I'm sure that in my life in the next few years is number 3 is coming, because you know, everything happens in 3. So.

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Rachel Spratt: In a typhoon, Jackie. So that's 3 altogether. That.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Oh, good! We'll count that. We'll clock that one up, chalk that one up excellent.

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Rachel Spratt: Alright, Deb, you hit us with your dangerous travel day.

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DeborahAbela.com: Yes, I will, just on the flying, perilous flying journey. So we did once. My sister in law lives in Mildura, in country, Victoria, and we took a smallish plane out of the airport, and there were storm activity literally surrounding the airport. The airport was right in the middle, which meant there was kind of a gap right in the skies, but directly above the airport.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, and.

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DeborahAbela.com: As we all know, planes don't travel that way like.

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Rachel Spratt: Helicopters do.

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DeborahAbela.com: That's right.

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DeborahAbela.com: I was in a helicopter. Easy sailing, right, but no planes tend to do it differently. So this pilot literally said, now hold on to your hats. So it was good. I like it when I get a warning from the pilot, because I feel like the pilot then knows kind of what they're about to do.

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DeborahAbela.com: This pilot took off, and we literally just cork screwed through the sky and at the biggest bank, like

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DeborahAbela.com: like, if you're.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, like, like, 45 degree. Angle, yeah.

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DeborahAbela.com: Yes.

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DeborahAbela.com: around this guy, round and around, and we're just like holding on, thinking, you know, sideways, holding on.

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Rachel Spratt: So you're acting this out and gotta remember, this is a sound medium. So so.

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Rachel Spratt: Imagine in the bath tub when the water goes down through the plughole. Imagine you're an aeroplane being sucked down into the Bermuda triangle, but in the sky, so it's much more dangerous.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Like, courting a twister. Really? Yeah, like.

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DeborahAbela.com: Going up.

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Jacqueline Harvey: You know, toy stuff.

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Rachel Spratt: And you dip, continue.

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DeborahAbela.com: Way. So we and I, everyone just clapped straight away when we got smooth sailing all the way back to wherever we were going.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Actually was a little blinded.

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DeborahAbela.com: It was a little plain.

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DeborahAbela.com: so you feel every bump you feel.

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Rachel Spratt: Every year.

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DeborahAbela.com: Turn every corner. Anyway, if you feel like you're like.

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Rachel Spratt: Lean one way, the plane will be tipped. Yeah, yeah.

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DeborahAbela.com: Like we're in a boat. Everyone just go with it, or you're on a motorcycle. Just go with the lean. We'll be all right. So. But that's not my dangerous tale, because that's a good tale. Yeah. So I wanted to tell the tale, because this is probably my most asked question. When I go into schools, and they've read a little bit of my bio.

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Rachel Spratt: Surely your most asked question is, how much do you earn.

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DeborahAbela.com: Not anymore.

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Rachel Spratt: Really, you just put it on your bio, do you.

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DeborahAbela.com: I update it every 6 months. There you go, kids.

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Jacqueline Harvey: I think kids are really savvy these days. They they've got the Internet. They know that $11,000 is the average earning.

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DeborahAbela.com: They can see it for themselves, and they go not interested in that. So no, my biggest question is, how did you get thrown in jail?

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DeborahAbela.com: I know right. They're fascinated with it, and then I go. I cannot reveal my entire criminal past, and then they harass me, and then I buckle and I do it. So I left Uni in school and loved it, but thought, Okay, I don't want to get a full-time job. Now, I just need to for a couple of years to wander around the world, and so went to London

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DeborahAbela.com: like a lot of us do did, and then ended up in London with not a lot of cash, but thinking I really want a big adventure.

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DeborahAbela.com: But I don't have much money, and I was literally walking home one night, and I was, you know, just thinking, oh, where can I go? How can I afford it? I go past a light poll and on the light pole is an a 4 fairly rudimentary kind of printout of do you want to go to Africa?

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DeborahAbela.com: Come to the slide night. We will tell you more like seriously, there wasn't really much on, and they might have been.

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Rachel Spratt: So dodgy already, as a mother, I would be giving you a very strict talking to about not taking life advice from telegraph polls.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Yeah.

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DeborahAbela.com: Aye.

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Rachel Spratt: I know what the British are like, and I know the type of people who advertise in telephone booths over there.

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DeborahAbela.com: All I can say is, I was young. I didn't have the wisdom of Rachel, but.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah.

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DeborahAbela.com: You know. My! If I'd had a Jiminy cricket, Rachel, my life would have been very different. So.

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DeborahAbela.com: I turned up I went slide night. I'm in for a slide night, and for if the younger viewers listening right now, a slide night is when you had these tiny little photographs on little cards, and you had to put them in a little machine and you watched it on the wall. And that's how I grew up. Slide.

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Rachel Spratt: Like vivid

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Rachel Spratt: with your mum's photos.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Projecta. We used to call that contraption a projecta.

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DeborahAbela.com: There we go!

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, we haven't had them in schools called overhead projectors.

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DeborahAbela.com: All, all of this.

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DeborahAbela.com: Yeah, that different thing. But you know similar sort of idea. So I turn up to a slide night room full of people. I have no idea who any of them are, and they show the most.

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Rachel Spratt: That people, smugglers, debt.

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Jacqueline Harvey: I was thinking the same thing.

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DeborahAbela.com: Again. So far they just seem like random, like travelers. A couple of British people but mostly, you know, some kiwis, some aussies. And so, anyway. So so I'm sitting there, and I, all I can see are these beautiful photographs of, you know, of deserts and landscapes and and beaches and mountains, and I just, and villages in North Africa. And and I'm I'm in. I'm in. Take my money.

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DeborahAbela.com: Right

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DeborahAbela.com: and again I didn't check with any adults, or any sort of parents or anything, I thought. Oh, my gosh! Take me there now, and I could afford it right. So I signed up for a 6 month trip through Africa with 15 other people I'd never met before. That was leaving in 2 weeks.

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Jacqueline Harvey: That's very bright, very bright.

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DeborahAbela.com: What could go wrong? Right?

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Jacqueline Harvey: Everything.

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DeborahAbela.com: And I am. Any sense of danger is just nowhere in my line of sight, because all I can see is myself in those beautiful photographs in that incredible landscape.

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DeborahAbela.com: We take off, we drive, you know, from London to we get across the Channel. We drive through Europe, and then we take a boat into North Africa, and it's brilliant. And we've got this old army truck right that we're traveling through, and we're sort of getting along. We're sort of slowly making friends, and everyone sort of sits in the back on these 2 bench seats, and so.

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Rachel Spratt: You go the whole way on bench seats.

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DeborahAbela.com: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. And I'm not even sure they were cushions. I think they were literally just bench seats. Life was harder than Rachel.

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Rachel Spratt: Oh, I know I'm old, I know.

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DeborahAbela.com: So then, so we're traveling along. And then we're traveling. It takes 3 weeks to cross the Sahara desert like 3 weeks of almost continual driving. Apart from at nighttime.

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Rachel Spratt: On bench seats.

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DeborahAbela.com: I love that. The biggest thing that you're worried about are the bench seats.

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Rachel Spratt: So bad for your lower back.

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Jacqueline Harvey: You wait! Were you also sleeping in tents? I wanna know Deb.

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DeborahAbela.com: Yes, so at night. Yes. So someone sleeps in the bench.

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Rachel Spratt: Seed.

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DeborahAbela.com: No, no, no! On the bench seat in their sleeping bags. There's a little bit of cushioning at nighttime, so that's good. And then they do that, basically to mine the truck, because all of our stuff's on the truck food. Spare radiators, you know all sorts of things, shovels and axes.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Gong.

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DeborahAbela.com: And then everybody else just camps somewhere around the drug. So it's brilliant. I am in my element. I could not be happier. But then we're traveling along

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DeborahAbela.com: blisteringly beautiful blue sky day, and on the horizon we see this kind of smudgy thing in the distance, and we think, oh, he's done another truck, is it more travellers what's going on? And then we realise.

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DeborahAbela.com: oh, it's a sandstorm. So where most of the desert is literally rising up into the air in this massive plume of noise and and sand, and and so we batten down the hatches. We've got a few minutes before this thing is going to hit our truck right. So we've got little tarpaulins on the side of this truck that we we roll down. We tie up, we literally, we secure everything we can. We wrap ourselves up in these

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DeborahAbela.com: material scarves called a shesh, because we're in Algeria at this point. So we wrap ourselves up mummy, like we just grab onto whoever or whatever is beside us, and it hits. And this thing is like this roaring, massive, tidal wave of sand that we're stuck in, and it beats the truck. The truck is rattling back and forth. It's noisy. You can't even yell to your neighbour we're.

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DeborahAbela.com: And so we sat there for 3 whole hours

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DeborahAbela.com: until the sandstorm. Then just kind of moves on down the desert. We are then, like our truck is literally half buried in sand. There is sand everywhere, so we have to get off the truck. We have to dig the sand away from the wheels so that we can drive away. But sand is literally everywhere in our food containers. So we're eating crunchy porridge. And you know, crunchy rice for weeks, and it's sand in our. It's it's everywhere, right. So about 10 days after we left the desert, we're in Nigeria, in a city called Lagos.

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DeborahAbela.com: I'm on the truck, minding the truck with some of my friends. The rest of us have gone to the market to buy food. My friend Oni has this brand new camera. She's holding it up into the light, and I can hear she was kind of complaining and moaning, but I was reading my book, and I could hear her going. Oh, man, I can't believe it. It's my brand new camera.

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DeborahAbela.com: Sand has gotten into her camera right? So she's looking through this lens at the viewfinder, and all she can see are these black dots. She knows every single photograph she takes. It's going to have these black dots all over it. And this is kind of pre-computers, and pre being able to fix up your photographs. It's oh, man, I can't believe it.

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DeborahAbela.com: What she doesn't realise is, she is accidentally pointing her camera at these big, burly, military guys down the road. These massive guns, like guarding this important government building. They see her, this tourist on the back of a truck, pointing their camera at them, and they are furious. They run towards the truck.

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Rachel Spratt: Know she's not a real tourist because she's of the bench seats. They

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Jacqueline Harvey: Change 6. And I think.

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Rachel Spratt: So tourists could endure 3 weeks in the desert like that. She must be CIA.

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DeborahAbela.com: He must be a spy. That's right, let's get her. So they jump on the truck. They shoved their guns into our backs. They literally push us off. They heard us off the truck with these guns down this narrow alleyway throw us in jail.

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Jacqueline Harvey: And oh.

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Jacqueline Harvey: and how did you get out?

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DeborahAbela.com: Well, it.

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Rachel Spratt: 15 years, later.

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DeborahAbela.com: So they take us in. Neither of us can speak each other's language right? So they slam the door on us. So we're in this cement tiny, airless, hot. We're thirsty now, and we're panicking. So we're really, really like thirsty. Our throats are so dry, and they leave us there

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DeborahAbela.com: And this guy throws open the door and he's got these like motorcycle cop glasses on, and he just kind of circles around us, and he starts kind of speaking slowly at 1st slowly, and then he starts yelling and slamming, and and and we then think, Well, how do we get out of this? And so we thought, well, we'll offer to him the film. So my friend Oni opened the back of her camera. That was, you know, the the culprit

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DeborahAbela.com: gives him the roller film.

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DeborahAbela.com: He then slaps the roller film out of her hand. He's not interested. And we're like, Okay, what do we do now?

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DeborahAbela.com: She then offers the camera and says, You know, take the camera. Basically, he takes the gun from his that's casually swinging from his shoulder, takes his rifle, swings it like a golf club, bam, swings it into the camera, flies across the room, smashes into like 100 camera on camera like bits, screams and yells, walks out, leaves us there for another couple of hours, and by now we are panicking. There is no way we

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DeborahAbela.com: So we just every single final bit of money that we could piled up on the table. This big pile of money didn't kind of offer it, because offering bribes, too, can get you into a lot of hot water, and so he just yelled and screamed some more, made sure he knew that he was kind of in charge, grabbed the money, shoved it into his pocket, pointed at the door, and ran and ran.

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Jacqueline Harvey: And and then you wished that you'd have Hannah Rachel sitting on your shoulder, telling you in London. Do nothing.

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DeborahAbela.com: What did I tell you about dodgy flyers on telegraph poles?

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Jacqueline Harvey: Exactly.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah.

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Jacqueline Harvey: That's a terrifying story.

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Rachel Spratt: What did you learn from that? That's what I always say to Michael.

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DeborahAbela.com: Got me. I need.

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Rachel Spratt: You don't want to yell at them, but you said, and so what do we learn from this.

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DeborahAbela.com: Oh, Rachel, that just breaks my heart. What a good mom! What a good mom you are! I don't know that I learned anything from it but one of my.

528
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Rachel Spratt: He learnt the power of a bribe in a 3rd World country.

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DeborahAbela.com: Well, we did learn that it's not a great lesson, but I did. I still have one of my best friends who I was sitting in jail with, and I, and 25 years later we're still best friends.

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Rachel Spratt: Oh, that's.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Well, that's good, and you're both alive.

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DeborahAbela.com: Yes. Does she still? Is she still.

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Tim Harris: And to photography.

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DeborahAbela.com: Yes, she's an artist, and she's a painter, and she's a designer, and she's clever, and she's still a hiker. We're going to meet in the next few months, and we're going to do some more hiking together. So yeah.

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Rachel Spratt: Sorry we interrupted you, Tim. What.

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Tim Harris: I thought, Debbie, you're gonna say, once, you know, once you're in jail and you know you, you

537
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Tim Harris: yeah, you're limited on resources, aren't you. You've got to get up. I thought if you were going to do the Aussie thing

538
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Tim Harris: and use the sand to create sandpaper and like.

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DeborahAbela.com: I feel way out of.

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Jacqueline Harvey: I'm sorry.

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Tim Harris: We're famous for around the world, isn't it? Using Sam Davis.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Oh, yes, sandpaper, innovative stories, but mostly mostly at cricket, though Tim.

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DeborahAbela.com: Do you mean I could file my way out.

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Tim Harris: Yeah, that's roughly, that's rough.

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Tim Harris: Guy, no good.

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DeborahAbela.com: Good idea. I'm sad that you weren't there with us on the day.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Think about.

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Tim Harris: And.

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Jacqueline Harvey: May have had to be there for about 25 years to be able to get out that way. Jim, in a hurry.

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Rachel Spratt: Write a Tim, because it's like.

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DeborahAbela.com: Yeah.

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Rachel Spratt: That story is reality, but I could make it better.

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Jacqueline Harvey: No. Did you.

554
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Tim Harris: Have a story. You have a poster of Rita Hayworth on the wall.

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Rachel Spratt: Ha! Ha!

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DeborahAbela.com: Flush it.

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Rachel Spratt: She'd have a poster of Hemingway or something. She's a writer, Jane Austen, on the wall.

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DeborahAbela.com: Yeah, yeah, Sylvia Plath. Probably. I think I was probably into Sylvia.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah.

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DeborahAbela.com: Same way. Yeah.

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Rachel Spratt: Neurons into Sylvia, plough.

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DeborahAbela.com: Yeah. So it probably would have been her. I think, yeah.

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Rachel Spratt: All right, Sylvia Plath would probably, you know, go on holidays advertised on polls, too.

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DeborahAbela.com: Do I think so too.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Not so much, no.

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Rachel Spratt: Make yourself a snack, kids. Mama's going on holiday.

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Jacqueline Harvey: She's going to the depths of Algeria with no proper seats, no.

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DeborahAbela.com: Bench seats! The horror of the bench seat.

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Rachel Spratt: I know. All right, Tim, what's your.

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Tim Harris: Hey? That's a hard one to talk, Deb. So thanks very much for going for me.

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Jacqueline Harvey: That team. So that's why I went first.st Yeah, we'll we'll play Jackie.

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Tim Harris: My, my dangerous travel story is, I guess I should retitle this a potentially

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Tim Harris: very dangerous travel story. It was back in 2,007 a friend and I bought really cheap round-the-world flights.

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Tim Harris: and I think we it was Sydney to Tokyo, Tokyo, to Munich.

575
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Tim Harris: Frankfurt to London, London.

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Tim Harris: to Detroit.

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Tim Harris: Detroit, to Seattle, and then Vancouver to Sydney for $1,500.

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DeborahAbela.com: Whoa!

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Tim Harris: So it was really cheap. So I was a shoestring budget holiday. So you know, we just sort of like, let's let's do this. Let's have a couple of months traveling on that. It was my very 1st time overseas as well. The only other time I'd been overseas is when I called it Ferry to Manly, and that.

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Jacqueline Harvey: I really can.

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DeborahAbela.com: And.

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Tim Harris: So we just sort of. And between some of those flights we had to get to other airports. So we'd be catching trains and and buses, and this sort of thing and the year before we went on the trip I went skiing for the 1st time in in Threadbow, in New South Wales and I had such a fun time, I kept saying to my friend, Look, if we go to Europe we're going during the colder months. Can we please do some skiing? It's like my one request.

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Tim Harris: and he's like, sure I know this place in Austria. So we're going to go skiing in Austria. So I was really really excited, you know. 1st overseas trip, the smells, the food.

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Tim Harris: and and the skiing in Austria.

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Tim Harris: And so halfway through the trip, and we

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Tim Harris: we. I can't remember where we started, but we got a couple of trains, and the arrangement was that we were going to get picked up

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Tim Harris: at a train station by someone who worked at this hostel at the snow that we were gonna stay at. And this really young guy met us at the station like he had pimples on his face. And I thought, Okay, so you're allowed to drive a car at the age of

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Tim Harris: 14

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Tim Harris: and Australia

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Tim Harris: and then. But what I didn't realize is just how sort of windy and sharp the road between the train station

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Tim Harris: still is, cause you know we're we're in. We're in the mountains, you know. We're in the.

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Rachel Spratt: Was it St. Anton.

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Tim Harris: Member. I don't.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Is us.

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Tim Harris: Yeah, I just. I can't remember the the names of a lot of places.

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Tim Harris: But this young guy gets to sin, and he and he really wanted to get back to watch the football. And so we get in the car. And it's currently slating and snowing. And

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Tim Harris: the speed at which this guy was driving this young guy, and I think there was 6 or 7 or 8 of us in the in the car, and and all of us are like digging into each other's thighs and and hanging onto the you know, those handles that hang down. And it was like a weird video game

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Tim Harris: where we are just screaming around corners. And I'm just thinking.

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Tim Harris: if we crash, we're all going to die. It was full on it was, it was so terrifying. And so the the potential danger there. I never, always look back at that. And I think I'm actually very lucky that nothing happened because it it was full on, you know there's driving, and then there's really bad days driving. This is. This is easily the worst driving I've ever ever experienced. But but we made it. We made it to the hostel, and had this wonderful week skiing in Austria.

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Tim Harris: And that was it. That's that was the last time.

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Rachel Spratt: Was that.

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Tim Harris: Guitars on that trip with my friend like.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Yeah.

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Tim Harris: Franny, did you.

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Rachel Spratt: Did you not have any near death experiences skiing in Austria?

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Tim Harris: There was one, so I was pretty fresh for skiing, and there was one black run that my friend just just talked me into.

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DeborahAbela.com: Oh!

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Tim Harris: Was at the top, and pure adrenaline of fear.

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Jacqueline Harvey: That's how it usually gets down to Black Rock.

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Tim Harris: My friend had been skiing for years, and I remember I actually zoomed way ahead of him, and he caught up and he said to me.

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Tim Harris: I cannot believe how fast you were going, and you're an amazing scale. And I just looked at him and said that that was fear. I was actually not being able to stop not having.

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DeborahAbela.com: Yes.

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Tim Harris: Nick to stop, and so.

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DeborahAbela.com: No.

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Tim Harris: Time for it.

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DeborahAbela.com: That's called gravity, isn't it?

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Tim Harris: Yeah, yeah, but.

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Rachel Spratt: I went to St. Anton on my honeymoon, like I had quite an extensive.

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DeborahAbela.com: Ensive honeymoon, the.

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Rachel Spratt: 1st week after we got married we went to St. Anton, and my husband had skied once before. I'm not a very good ski either I'd skied like twice or 3 times, and in our honeymoon, so we'll just get a private instructor, and we'll learn and everything.

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Rachel Spratt: But the thing is, my husband is 6 foot 5, and at the time he was like 110 kilos, and it's not a sport for tall, heavy people, and he lost control, and he just was going like gravity mass, times, acceleration. He just was like. And so he's coming down the mountain just full speed, and he just slammed into me stationery, and I was standing there, and I see him coming towards me. There's nothing I can do.

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DeborahAbela.com: And they.

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Rachel Spratt: I can't get out of the way, and he just plows straight into the back of me, and, like you know, the skis are attached to your feet. So when you're flattened, face forward, it's like your feet don't want to go that way in the boots.

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Jacqueline Harvey: And.

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Rachel Spratt: Just totally screwed up my back like.

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DeborahAbela.com: I hadn't even.

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Rachel Spratt: Been on a bench seat, so we'll.

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DeborahAbela.com: This is.

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Rachel Spratt: 7 days scheme, and he's like, I don't want to do this. I'm terrified.

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DeborahAbela.com: So, Rachel, what did we learn from this.

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Rachel Spratt: Well, I tried to persuade him to like. Let's just ditch it and go to Paris for.

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DeborahAbela.com: Wick.

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Rachel Spratt: And he's like No, no, no! So he went hiking every day, and I went skiing every day with the Austrian ski.

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DeborahAbela.com: I think

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DeborahAbela.com: it's funny.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Such a bad deal. That's not such a bad.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, I got really good at skiing by the end of the week.

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Rachel Spratt: Sorry did you? Was that? Have you finished, Tim?

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Tim Harris: Let's see, that was.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, that's.

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Tim Harris: Like dangerous, almost dangerous.

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Rachel Spratt: No, no, no, it is crazy. I remember we 1st had snow in barrel, and I wasn't here. I was in Mackay at the the writers' festival, and we'd never had snow on the ground. And I rang my husband. I actually told him there was snow. He didn't realize, because there was all this stuff on Facebook, how there's snow. So I rang him at 6 in the morning, he said. There's snow. Take the girls out. Put all this snow gear on. Go show them the snow.

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Rachel Spratt: and then he rings me back after they've done that, and they've had a great time. And he said, and he said, Oh, I've got to drive from school. I said, no, we only had one car, and it was my car, and it's like you're not driving my car in snow. You don't know how to. You're Australian.

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Rachel Spratt: but he did. And he, you know, that was just on the flat in barrel, and he lost control of the car. So.

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Rachel Spratt: Going to be so dangerous. Yeah.

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DeborahAbela.com: Was in.

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Jacqueline Harvey: I, yeah.

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Rachel Spratt: He was fine.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Yeah, yeah.

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Rachel Spratt: It was a dodgy old camera. Who cares.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Yeah, we we get, we get lots of well, we don't get lots of snow, but we get snow on the ground here a couple of times a year, and when I lived in Barrow we used to get snow. We got snow, and we actually got so much snow one year that we got to school after the weekend, when it snowed all week or snowed all overnight, and the deputy head of school said to me, Hey, we should take the kids up the top of the gym and play in the snow. Do you think they had any gloves, or any

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Jacqueline Harvey: doors gear, or anything like that. No, but we took them up there 2 h, and they had the best times of their.

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DeborahAbela.com: Loved it. Yeah.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Back. We did have to come back when many of them were crying, and they were.

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Rachel Spratt: Gold, yes.

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Jacqueline Harvey: And they were over it. But you know what we didn't even have permission slips from parents

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Jacqueline Harvey: in the good old days. That's how you did it.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah.

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DeborahAbela.com: How you did it!

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Jacqueline Harvey: Neither of them had to have.

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Rachel Spratt: The thing is amputated, but.

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Jacqueline Harvey: You know, I still talk to many of those kids, and they still remember what a great day that was.

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DeborahAbela.com: Of course.

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Jacqueline Harvey: I.

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DeborahAbela.com: Absolutely.

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Rachel Spratt: All right. Well, I better wrap it up with my final story, so I'll do a quick one.

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Rachel Spratt: I've done a lot of travel. I've done a lot of dangerous things it was hard to pick, but I think I'll go with. I went to Bali, and I did the sort of cliche, Australian tourist, Bali. I spent like 2 weeks in Cooter.

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Rachel Spratt: I did go to Lombok in the Gilli Islands as

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Rachel Spratt: but you know all the you know the drinking and the going to bars and all that stuff. I was like 20, and that's what we did, and we had a great time. But there was a bar like in Kuta at the time, I mean, this was before all the Bali bombing and all that sort of stuff. So it was a couple of years before that.

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Rachel Spratt: but there was a bar and couch at the time that had a bungee jumping rig, so there was a pool like a backyard swimming pool, sized pool, and then, like this, huge like tower, and then people would Bungee jump off the top of.

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DeborahAbela.com: No.

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Rachel Spratt: I know, and people would pay to do this.

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DeborahAbela.com: Oh!

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Rachel Spratt: But if you sat in the bar every time you ordered a drink you got a raffle ticket, and at a certain time in the night

676
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Rachel Spratt: they would draw the raffle and someone would get a free bungee jump. So this is.

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Jacqueline Harvey: My friends.

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Rachel Spratt: All right. Well.

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Tim Harris: And trap every night.

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Rachel Spratt: So they all got like a bungee jump like some of them paid for it. Some of them won one, and they were like, come on, Rachel, actually that my name was Kelly. Then they called me. Everyone called me Rick Kelly back when I was at Uni, so everyone said, Come on, Kelly. You gotta go Bungee jump, and I'm like no, no like I did diving when I was for sport when I was at school.

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Rachel Spratt: and I did diving, for like 2 years I did not have the courage like I was great on a 1 meter diving board. I couldn't jump off a 3 metre diving board. That's how scared I am of heights. So it's like I'm I'm not bungy jumping. I know I would when they say you know 3, 2, one go. I just wouldn't go like I would just like, turn back and hug someone and not let go. So it's like, I know I have not got that ability in me to go. Bungy, jumping.

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DeborahAbela.com: They all so bad!

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Rachel Spratt: A slingshot.

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Rachel Spratt: and that's kind of like where they had 2 towers and had a like a cage like a round cage with 2 seats in it.

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DeborahAbela.com: And you.

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Rachel Spratt: Sit in the seat, and they tighten up the bungee cords, and they go 321, and then they let you go, and so the cage shoots.

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DeborahAbela.com: No.

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Rachel Spratt: Into the air and then bounces back and forth, and I thought, well, I could do that because I wouldn't have to step off. It would be someone else pulling the lever.

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Rachel Spratt: You know. I'd had a few beers at this.

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DeborahAbela.com: Stage. And I'm like.

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Rachel Spratt: 20, and I'm like, alright, I'll do the I'll do the slingshot. That doesn't look too bad. And so I get in there, and everyone's laughing. All my friends have done proper, Bungee jumping everything. My friend. Wall, from Uni, he's doing it with me. He's like spread. I'll be funny. And there's a video camera in my face because they got a video camera built in. And the guy I'm in there. I'm sitting there. And they strapped in. And they they shut the cage, and the guy says to me, Are you ready? And I just realize

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Rachel Spratt: no, I'm not ready. No, I'm not ready, and he laughs, and my friend wal laughs, and they go. 3, 2, one go boom! And the thing shoots up in the suck. Guy. Now I'm a children's author now. I was not a children's author then, and remember when Arnold Schwarzenegger ran for governor, and he said, I have not lived my life as though I was going to be a politician. I was not living my life like I was, gonna be a children's author.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Exactly, so.

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Rachel Spratt: I. As it showed up, I said a word of rudeness

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Rachel Spratt: with such volume and protection.

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DeborahAbela.com: And one I.

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Rachel Spratt: Just just the one, but long, long.

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DeborahAbela.com: Lion, but.

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Rachel Spratt: Always had very good voice, projection.

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DeborahAbela.com: Yes, so I.

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Rachel Spratt: I drew in a deep breath into my diaphragm, and I said this one word

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Rachel Spratt: as I shot skyward.

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DeborahAbela.com: Hee, hee.

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Rachel Spratt: Sound rejected out over Cooter, and then it got to the top. The pinnacle and the the cage spun round, and gravity took over, and I dropped 50 meters with my friend Wall, and I said the same word again at the same volume as I dropped back down, and it went back, for after about the 5th bounce I got control of myself. I stopped saying the rude word.

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Jacqueline Harvey: I wish I would not known this story. Rich. Yeah. Sorry, because I could have taken you on the the slingshot here.

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Rachel Spratt: You're waiting.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Help me!

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Rachel Spratt: But anyway, they wound it back down. They got it on the ground. It released.

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DeborahAbela.com: And I'm left.

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Rachel Spratt: He's like, Oh, my gosh! And the guy who opens the cage! He was a very tall Indonesian guy. He looked at me, and he just had this look of awe on his face, and I'm like what and he's like.

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Rachel Spratt: That is the greatest swearing I have.

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DeborahAbela.com: This.

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Rachel Spratt: Is a man who does it all day professionally, he's like

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Rachel Spratt: amazing. And everyone in the bar, as I got out just looked at me like.

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DeborahAbela.com: Yeah. You not only took slingshotting to a new level, you took swearing.

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Jacqueline Harvey: I knew.

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Rachel Spratt: I did. I'm President. I had.

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Jacqueline Harvey: But inside the bar.

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Rachel Spratt: What was an outdoor bar, but.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Sorry.

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Rachel Spratt: But it actually it is. Actually it's this is a sad turn. I like to have a sad turn in a story. 2 weeks later. I'm back home back at Uni, and I'm watching the news and someone on the same slingshot in the same bar. It malfunctioned, and someone was killed in the slingshot.

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Jacqueline Harvey: I knew she was gonna say that.

723
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DeborahAbela.com: No.

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Jacqueline Harvey: That's terrible!

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Rachel Spratt: He's just.

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Jacqueline Harvey: She's 5 chipper stories today, isn't she?

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DeborahAbela.com: That's the second.

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Jacqueline Harvey: That's the 6.

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DeborahAbela.com: Quality we've had

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DeborahAbela.com: did this work out.

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Rachel Spratt: I'm sorry I'm a comedy writer. I'm dead inside.

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DeborahAbela.com: The wood.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Actually, Rachel Rachel came to Queenstown, which, you know, is the adventure capital of the world, and I could have taken you. I could have tested those bungee skills the giant swings shot. There's another one called the Giant Swing. We could have gone powering.

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DeborahAbela.com: Next time, you know. Always.

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Rachel Spratt: Have you ever done, punchy, jumping, dip.

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DeborahAbela.com: No, but I have. I have forced a 15 year old to do it, as when I was a producer of a children's television program. So the host of the show we were in outside of Queenstown, near Hana Springs.

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DeborahAbela.com: I can't remember the name of where we were, but we were up around that area. And yeah, one of the hosts had to do it.

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah, well, I mean.

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DeborahAbela.com: He didn't have to. He could have said no, and it was up for it. But the other host was like, no way, no way am I ever doing this? And then, just as the main host jade's getting ready to do it, the second host comes up and says, You're gonna be great at this, and I thought, Oh, that's nice. He's encouraging him, that's good. You'll be right, jade. You're really great at this, and then slaps him on the back.

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Rachel Spratt: Oh!

741
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DeborahAbela.com: And his arms are flailing. He's tumbling forward, and he does the bungee jump.

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Rachel Spratt: Oh, that's.

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Jacqueline Harvey: There you go!

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Rachel Spratt: Yeah. But my point was, gonna be that like people who like Whitewater rafting or scuba diving, they do it all the time. Most people who do bungee jumping. They do it once. They never want to do it again.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Yeah. Should I go?

746
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DeborahAbela.com: Yeah, yeah.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Knees are often never the same. After a bungee the the knee issues.

748
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Rachel Spratt: Is all the.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Yeah.

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Rachel Spratt: It's not good. I've heard.

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DeborahAbela.com: Heard eye. Things. Yeah, no.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Yeah, detach witnesses and things like that.

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DeborahAbela.com: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Rachel Spratt: But we better wrap it up.

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DeborahAbela.com: Yes, that's.

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Rachel Spratt: So.

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Rachel Spratt: Oh, what's it's a few weeks since I've done this. I've forgotten how.

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DeborahAbela.com: That's why I ended.

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Rachel Spratt: I don't have my script, I'll do it off the top of my head. Thank you off listening. Thank you, Debbabella, for joining us. If you want to find out anything about any of any of us, just check out our websites. I'm@rasprat.com, Jackie, where can we find you?

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Jacqueline Harvey: Www. Jacqueline harvey.com.au.

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Rachel Spratt: Tim.

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Tim Harris: Tim harrisbox.com.

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Rachel Spratt: And Deb, what's your website?

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DeborahAbela.com: Deborah abella.com.

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Rachel Spratt: Oh, well done, you remember sometimes people don't know.

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DeborahAbela.com: For.

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Rachel Spratt: Well, thank you all for listening, and until next time. Goodbye.

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Rachel Spratt: Alright, that's it. Well, then, I'm like.

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DeborahAbela.com: That was so fun.

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Tim Harris: So where I did.

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Tim Harris: Oh, and she.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Terrifying. So did your did your parents like wanna did you actually ever tell them.

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DeborahAbela.com: No, and that's kind of kids. Think this is a gag when I say this at the end. And I say.

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DeborahAbela.com: and if you ever run into Mrs. Zabella in the street. Don't tell her, because I never told my parents, and they kind of go. And no, it's true.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Told.

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DeborahAbela.com: I haven't told me.

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Rachel Spratt: My parents. The things that happened when I was in the Middle East when I was 19 is they don't. They don't need to know.

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DeborahAbela.com: Let me deny.

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Jacqueline Harvey: You know your driving story, Tim? Yeah. 100 and 6,100 980 kilometers on a freeway in Paris. That was my most terrifying driving experience. A guy he thought he was.

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DeborahAbela.com: James Bond.

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Jacqueline Harvey: James Bond. Yeah, my husband's bringing me my lunch, because.

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Rachel Spratt: He's so.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Ways.

784
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DeborahAbela.com: Oh!

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Jacqueline Harvey: I'm here so.

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Rachel Spratt: Now, Deb, we love you, but we have to bail because we.

787
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Jacqueline Harvey: Yes, we've got.

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DeborahAbela.com: Oh, my God!

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Jacqueline Harvey: But John Larkin. Thanks.

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DeborahAbela.com: You have to do this again. Yes, okay, that was so fun. Thank you. So so much.

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Rachel Spratt: To talk to you hopefully. We'll see.

792
00:57:58.390 --> 00:57:59.779
Jacqueline Harvey: And nice to see you. We'll we'll see.

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DeborahAbela.com: I mean from somewhere.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Listen. I really love you.

795
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Rachel Spratt: And it always feels cruel to do this, but we're hanging off her.

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Jacqueline Harvey: Yeah.

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DeborahAbela.com: Hi bye!